Linux Luddites

not all change is progress

September 15, 2014

Episode #24

Direct download links: MP3 & Ogg

Slackel – ownCloud

0:09:17   News

Good News / Bad News
FSF and Debian join forces to help free software users find the hardware they need
Akamai Warns of IptabLes and IptabLex Infection on Linux, DDoS attacks

New Distro Releases; One Ceases
Gentoo Live DVD
Q4OS is now stable enough to be recommended for everyday use
Stepping Down from Bodhi Linux Lead (Update: Bodhi Linux is NOT Dead – It is just Changing Hands)

New App Releases
Hands-on: WordPress 4.0 adds useful features to a rich platform
Amazon Brings Prime Instant Video To All Android Phones In US, UK And Germany

You WILL be Running Red Hat GnomeOS
Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems (comment threads on LWN and Lennart’s G+ post worth a read)
Sandboxed Gnome apps
PackageKit 1.0.0

Odds ‘n’ Sods
Standard Flavored Markdown (bunfight, and the quick-read version)
Chrome OS can now run Android apps, no porting required
Freexian’s first report about Debian Long Term Support (and Holger Levsen’s thoughts on how the process is working)

Seen Elsewhere
DebConf14: QA with Linus Torvalds
With Named Data Networking, a group of researchers promise a future without servers and IP addresses (and what it‘s all about)
Anyone interested in the origins of TCP/IP, and why that alone might not be appropriate to take us forwards, would probably enjoy this presentation by Van Jacobson

0:51:20   First Impressions

Jesse looked at Slackel, whilst Paddy was handed ZevenOS for next time.

0:59:23   Feedback

A huge thank you to Campbell Barton for his continued support over at Gratipay, and to johanv, DeepGeek and an anonymous donor for their Flattrs. And a special thank you to Charlie Ebert and Clive van Hilten, both of whom became Monthly Supporters and joined Jeroen van Rijn, Peter Kidd, Christopher Atkins, Issac Carter and Brendan MacWade in providing us with a small predictable income stream. Thanks guys – it really is appreciated!

As we mentioned, Jesse has now set up a Luddite G+ Community, so if you use that service we now have another way to get in touch.

We received a large post bag this time, so an up-front thank you to GLaDER, Jezra and Charlie Ebert for your various comments.

Frank Bell, Jonathan Groll and Shay the Daft Punk all got in touch with comments following our look at the *boxen window managers last show.

On the question of usability, stability and backwards compatibility, Rob Landley provided some interesting historical information, and made a point echoed by Torvalds in the video linked above – it’s not the kernel to user-space interface that tends to break things, but items further up the stack. And AdamT questioned whether Linux Mint really would be a good choice for non-technical users looking for a stable platform with up to date apps.

Paddy’s plug for a non-vi/non-Emacs based simple text editor provoked some comments. Ivor O’Connor wrote approvingly that the more traditional editors can act as full-blown development IDEs, Jonathan Groll flagged up the ubiquity of GNU’s Readline, and Russell Dickinson plugged ne, another lightweight editor that unfortunately doesn’t quite tick the boxes Paddy was praising the Sanos editor for.

On systemd, Florian flagged up the GSoC project aimed at producing shims to keep the GNOME desktop working on the BSDs, and Brad Alexander confessed to a growing affection for PC-BSD and the Lumina desktop. Whilst talking about this, Paddy mentioned the recent BSD Now episode on Lumina.

Nathan D. Smith wondered why the bundling of libraries with apps is considered so bad since “disk is cheap”. Rob Landley and Russell Dickinson provided counterpoints to Nathan.

Jonathan Nadeau emailed Paddy to clarify that his motivation for planning to write a new text-to-speech engine for Sonar GNU/Linux was largely just about reducing uncertainty.

Jonathan Groll pointed Joe towards the Zalman HDD enclosures as a possible solution for his ISO woes, and Rufus Rieder linked to a post detailing appropriate chipsets for use when creating your own Hackintosh (also, no doubt, intended for Joe).

Henrik put forward a defence for the use of Wine versus dual booting, and Joel contrasted his picture stitching efforts using Hugin with the results he achieved from Microsoft’s Image Composite Editor. Jesse took a leaf out of Apple’s playbook, telling Joel that “you’re holding it wrong” ;)

Finally, thanks to Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér for pointing us towards, a crowdsourced alternative to Google Street View, and which none of your hosts had come across before.

1:36:14   ownCloud

Many of us are looking for a way to break free of proprietary services, but to still enjoy the benefits that cloud storage and computing seem to offer. Much hyped by credulous bloggers and other podcasts, we thought it time to cast an honest gaze over ownCloud, a dual-headed corporate and community project. Our verdict? Decidedly mixed.

Rolling out of that discussion, and thinking about the realities of the multi-device owning world we now live in, Paddy brought up what he thinks the FOSS community really needs to deliver on in order to free us from the centralised control of our data for once and all.


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